Not sure if this is a discussion, but I am bewildered.

My husband has allergy issues with some dogs.  For forty years we had Siberian Huskies and one golden retriever.  The huskies did not set off DH's allergies at all, but the golden did cause some reaction.

When our last two huskies were getting old, I was in my sixties with a chronic compromised back nerve problem.  As the chief dog trainer/ walker I decided as much as I will always adore Huskies perhaps a slightly smaller and less active dog would be in my best interest.  I finally settled on an Australian Labradoodle.  Australian labradoodles were already multigeneration dogs and as such ran much truer to the "breed standard".  The "breed standard" at the time being ideal traits including non allergenic.  That said if how a dog looks (which I totally get - they ARE cuter thatn the dickens) why don't more doodle lovers just get an Australian Labradoodle?

 

 

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  • I have the same question about why doodle lovers don't just get a purebred Poodle, lol. As far as cuteness goes, here's a recent picture of Jasper. :)
    3830084107?profile=RESIZE_930xUnfortunately, I think some of the answers to both our questions might make some of us feel uncomfortable, if not downright insulted, lol. 

    • I mean for us we didn't *want* the super curly look and all the matting it entails, we prefer the shaggy/wavy look to super curly, both for aesthetics and for grooming requirements.  Even though Riley is what I would consider "high" grooming requirements because of her double coat she doesn't actually mat as much as a dog with a super curly coat.

      Personally I'd much rather have a poodle than an ALD... and I think we've had this chat before about F1Bs Karen, I am strongly in the camp of "if your dog is going to be 3/4 poodle or more... just get a poodle" :p  Poodles are great dogs and the only thing holding me back from being "team poodle" for our next dog is the grooming requirements.  Since we intend on getting a second dog while Riley is still around I'm not sure I could handle grooming *two* big dogs with high maintenance coats.  I think we'll probably end up with a short/medium straight coated large breed but who knows.

       

      • 100% with you.  Why 3/4 Doodle when you can 100% poodle?  I LOVE the F1 in most of it's variations, and some F1bs come out looking like F1s.  But why go 3/4 toward a breed and NOT get that breed?  Especially when there's ZERO guarantee you'll have much retriever left.  All you can SEE is coat, you can't see the other retriever genes or % personality.  And you can't assume the parts of the Doodle personality you love are coming from the retriever.

  • For me, without allergies in the family, I preferred the F1 for years.  I loved the look.  I've gotten more interested in CERTAIN types of ALDs over the past couple years.  But I don't think they breed true enough--simply because you can still get an ALD that look very much like a poodle with a very tight curly coat and you can get an ALD that has a very loose straight fleece.  You can get an ALD with a more dainty, flatter face or one that looks very much like a cocker or one that is fuller.   Some are thicker boned all over and others are very dainty boned. There is still a bit of "designer" element to them insofar that every breeder does things a bit differently.  Without some kind of objective guide like a conformation show (which ALDs could have within their breed club) to "prove" a breeding dog is true to type or "correct" to type, it's hard to aim for breeding true goals.  

    Other reasons I can think of:

    • Golden retriever lovers might want more golden retriever
    • There is still controversy over the origin of the ALD 
    • ALD's cost a lot more than F1 doodles that most people get
    • I'd add the ESN issue. A lot of ALD breeders still insist on that, and those who don't often still insist on it being done before 1 year of age.

      • Agreed.  I believe the ALCA requires all breeders to do it and the ALAA varies per breeder.

        • ALAA requires early spay neuter and a contract for spay/neuter with no permission to breed.  Do not know how you aquire a breeding dog.

           

          • How you acquire a breeding dog: $10,000

      • When we were searching for a puppy after Luna passed we found an ALD breeder in the area that seemed to tick all the right boxes... until I read that she ESN all the dogs.  That was a huge NOPE from me.

        Riley's breeder was really good about it, it was in our contract that Riley needed to be spayed but she wasn't concerned that it be done ASAP.  I don't think she would have minded if we did it after a year old, but we weighed the risks and did it before her first heat.

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