Coat predictions?

Hey everyone! I picked up my first goldendoodle pup (F1B) 16 days ago, this is her and her name is Luna. I was wondering if some insight could be offered on her coat, as she has curls at the very bottom of her ears and super soft fur on the bottom of her paws (there's some small white hairs on the bottoms of her paws as well), but there are some straight hairs and some coarseness in other areas. The hair behind her ears is extra soft and fairly wavy. She's 10 weeks now and I'm currently under the impression that she won't have the facial furnishings a typical doodle has (I knew nothing about furnishings, improper coats, etc. beforehand... like how they work in terms of genetics and so forth.) In fact, everyone I know either automatically assumed she wasn't a goldendoodle and assumed she was a dachshund. I think she might just be a late bloomer...? 

7 weeks: 

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8 weeks: 

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10 weeks: 

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Also 10 weeks: 

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  • Luna is beautiful and very much resembles another Luna who was owned by another dk member. This is a distinctive doodle look, just not the one most people recognize.  I don't think she'll develop facial furnishings and she'll probably shed quite a bit. She has a very expressive face and it will show which is a huge plus for this look. 

  • I actually think she does have furnishings, judging by her forehead and eyebrows. She may be a late-bloomer after all. 
    Howevr, I agree with Nancy that she is likely going to shed. 

    • And you have a more experienced eye than I do. 

      • If I only saw that bottom picture, i would have said she had an open face. But the middle photo clearly shows the eyebrow furnishings and what looks to me like the beginnings of furnishings between her eyes. 

    • That's what I thought at first, kinda hard to tell with how short her hair seems to be right now. Both of her parents had furnishings, so I automatically assumed that she would.

      • Goldendoodle carries both genes (furnishings and no furnishings) because she was a first generation? Breeders  can test for furnishings nowadays so can breed only those dogs that will only have puppies that also have furnishings.

         

  • Now in that new photo, (third from the top) she does look open faced. 
    I think you are just going to have to wait and see with this one. 
    Both parents having furnishings doesn't mean anything, because they could each have only one copy of the furnishings gene and one for no furnishings, (as would be the case with F1s, as Nancy mentioned) and if both pass on the "no furnishings" gene, you get an open faced dog. This is why F2s can often look like purebred Retrievers.
    However, if one parent is a purebred Poodle, technically every puppy should have furnishings, because you only need one copy of the gene. And an F1B should have one F1 parent and one purebred Poodle parent. Was that the case with your pup? 
    Over the years though we have seen open faced dogs who supposedly have one purebred Poodle parent, and from a genetic standapoint, that simply shouldn't be possible. 
    In some cases, people have done DNA tests that showed that their puppies were not what they were told they were in terms of breed mix. That seems to me to be the only logical explanation.

     

    • Her mother is an F1 Mini Goldendoodle, father an AKC Toy Poodle. I never thought to ask the breeder about the genetics. I actually have bought a DNA test, so I guess we'll see what the case is. It's so interesting though because her littermates (just her and three boys) all have furnishings. That's why I automatically assumed she was a late bloomer, but the open face thing confuses me.

      • The open faced thing confuses me, too. And I've lived with Poodles and Poodle mixes for 62 years. 

        • Someone pointed out that she could be part Novia Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever... I guess the DNA test will let me know! :)

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