I'm not a big sandwich eater in general, and an infrequent BET watcher (I do love the Monique Show)  but Subway and BET have officially created an ambassador of ill will.


(I also call TOTAL BS on Subway not having a say in the decision)


I know sports lovers are "over" Michael Vick's dog fighting days, but I'm not. I'm a dog lover and my memory is long.

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  • Vick makes me sick.  "Dogs Deserve Better" have bought the Vick property to house/rehab doggies.
  • I ask this question with all due respect and not giving a flying fig one way or the other about Michael Vick.


    Why do we as Americans agree that prison is for "rehabilitation" (which is kind of a joke in itself) and once the person has "paid their debt to society", we are to allow them back into civilized society for a second chance...BUT we never give them that chance or recognized their "rehabilitation or paid debt"?  This of course excludes white collar criminals.  We barley even blink when someone commits fraud of any type.

    • Clint - I get what you are saying and wish that I was a better person. But I'm not. I have a very knee-jerk reaction towards violent criminals (there are many reasons I'm a bit jaded, that don't really bear delving into). I do count Michael Vick as a violent criminal, because he encouraged violence on a group that could not proctect itself. As an Atlantan, I feel that he's a self-entitled thug who perpetuated dog fighting in a community that he could have used his celebrity to help elevate citizens.


      (I blink over fraud!!!) 

    • This so called man will never have paid his "debt" to the innocent animals he harmed. He should not be revered at the very least. Makes me want to puke!

      Even if he has been rehabilitated he was a monster along with his sick buddies in his crimes, not crime, CRIMES!

      You said in your own comment that rehabilitation is a joke, what's the question here?

    • I have a son in law that loves the Eagles. He and I get in a debate about Michael Vick a lot. My feeling about Michael Vick is, no matter the length of his prison stay, when he got out of prison, he was still damaged emotionally and morally. There is something very wrong to the core with a man who can watch and/or participate in the torturing of innocent animals for pleasure. He may have paid his debt to society in the eyes of the law, but I don't believe prison can fix that part of him that allowed such cruelty. I just can't forget what he let happen, no matter how well he plays football.

      I am also not sure he is a changed man or now just has a good PR person that is telling him what to say and do to try and change his image. I am sorry about your friend. I see your point there too.


  • I do think people should be forgiven & given second chances.  However, I'm not sure it is acceptable to put them on pedestals.  I do think that Clint has a point about certain criminals or famous people with immoral behaviors (such as Clinton) are more easily forgiven than others.  I think the difference (at least for me) is that fraud or white collar crimes don't necessarily PHYSICALLY torture, abuse, or kill living creatures such as people or animals.  I think Vick has gotten his second chance.  He is making millions, he's famous, doing what he loves, etc.  That does NOT mean we have to make some kind of marter out of him.  They should have given it to one of the other deserving athletes (many or maybe all of which are African Americans) so this outrage is obviously NOT racially based IMO.
    • I totally agree. There are many athletes who would make great role models for youth. Instead they chose someone who nobody should be admiring. That's not fair. What kind of message is being sent? Don't worry about committing crimes, if you're famous, everyone will forget about it later.
  • Frannie,


    I can respect your answer.  I think that is a very honest answer and something I think most people feel, but would never admit.  When I was speaking about how crime is viewed and criminals I was talking about our cultural view as a whole.



    I don't know what to think of your answer.  I do respect your honesty as well.  I will say that I never mentioned or implied race.  Honestly, I have a life long friend...our mothers were pregnant with us at the same time...that made one big mistake when he was 17 or so and is now a convicted felon.  When he finally got out of state prison and tried to get his life on track he wanted to open up a used car lot.  The city DENIED his business license application because of his felon status.  What kind of sense does that make?  He paid his debt, he was trying to make good on his parole obligations by working a legitimate job, and he was trying to go above and beyond by opening his own business.  Oh, and this guy is Italian and looks just like any other "Caucasian" walking down the street.  So, I do not think race is the source of how we, as a culture, view criminals.

    • sorry that you friend got a raw deal but that is not the norm - we all know it!
      And I would add Michael Vick clearly did not get the same raw deal as your friend. Come on!
  • Clint - My racial reference wasn't a response to anything here.  I was just being honest & writing what I felt after reading the responses in the link about it.  I agree with what all of you have said on here & love that we can all feel safe enough and respected enough and mature enough to be honest!
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